Hosted by Gramer-Petrulo founder and chief publisher James Newcomb, That’s What I Meant to Say brings together James’ lifelong interests in music, history, politics, religion, culture, and the strange ways ordinary life reveals deeper moral questions.

James' background is distinctly uncategorizable. He has spent years as a professional musician, served in the military (as a musician), built and produced countless podcasts for himself and clients, lived abroad, studied political order and civilizational development, and entered the Orthodox Christian Church as an adult. Those experiences give the show its shape.

That's What I Meant to Say is not a news program, a theology podcast, an academic lecture, or a personal memoir in the usual sense.

This show is where all of those things meet.

The through-line is James’ conviction that the visible world is rarely random. Our habits, arguments, ambitions, technologies, loyalties, and failures usually point to something deeper.

That’s What I Meant to Say is for listeners who are tired of noise but not interested in retreating from the world. It is for people who still believe speech matters, memory matters, order matters, conscience matters, and that the task of saying what one means is not merely rhetorical.

It is the only way to speak.